Elizabeth Dodson Gray appeared on 16th November edition of Religion and Ethics Newsweekly, examining the impact of Michelangelo's painting of the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel on the occasion of its 500th anniversary. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/episodes/november-16-2012/sistine-chapel-anniversary/13864/ has the video and a transcript, and http://video.pbs.org/video/2306296223 is the whole show which includes unrelated topics. The way the program has been edited it appears as if everyone is having a conversation together.